7 | Inside Yukon First Nations Wildfire

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[SPEAKER_03]: Attention, buckle in, shelter in place and prepare.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's 14 first nations in the Yukon, most of them are self-governing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Under the umbrella final agreements, every nation has a initial attack fire crew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the indigenous and national attackers and all that, so learning a lot about how that and it seems quite unique to me and how it's this partnership, it's working with the government but it does its own thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Real disaster stories told by those on the ground and in the air, followed by disaster field after auction review, that turns lessons learned into actionable takeaways.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, welcome back to the disaster field show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're here today with me in Newt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we got some really interesting guests come on with this here today, not from the South that's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole of the interesting guests could make it so we got these guys a long way from home, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you guys obviously came down from our way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got, I guess, you know, I'll let you guys introduce yourself a little bit here first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually flew our Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Eric, we're traitors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one, no warmer couple's back up, don't tell anyone back home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a publicly available podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a couple of gentlemen here from the, exactly from the UConn First Nation Wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Nick, I guess we'll start with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll let you introduce yourself a little bit and we'll have done kind of follow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My name's Nick Moro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a chief executive officer for UConn First Nations wildfire, as I was mentioned to both of you earlier, just in a really privileged spot to be a part of such a...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Innovative organization that is WIF and W. I've been in fire now for the last 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So honestly, like a really small period of time compared to a lot of the folks that I look up to and admire and take mentorship from In this industry, but also enough time to have seen a fair bit of flame and understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what goes on in the industry and what needs to improve in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's a big part of what wife and w is trying to do really improve the area in indigenous wild firefighting, both training equipment, opportunity for indigenous youth across the north.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I say, we're just we're just doing really cool things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm in a really lucky spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to unpack that stuff in a minute because I got a little bit of insight and I've worked with Nick on and off over the past and we got a pretty good friendship, but Yeah, do you guys in the room, Donald?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you want to be when you go out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, makes you kick, Donald.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, Dalton Demares, I have

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[SPEAKER_02]: not quite as much experience as Nick does in wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm approaching my first month in the industry, which is a month more than a lot of people and way less than most people that matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the industry, but I've learned a ton and I'm actually surprised at how much I've been able to learn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My background is more in renewable energy and also business development working with

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[SPEAKER_02]: communities in the Yukon businesses, homeowners, and indigenous communities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the reasons I was brought on to an indigenous organization along with my, they have a minimum requirement for how handsome you have to be to work here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I'm second to neck, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys aren't going to be doing like a, I think that'll be, is it kind of fire fire?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's going to be a roach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the, that's kind of the art, some of the R&D that's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my first project.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to work on manicure in the beard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may not be able to see it on this podcast, but some of that you can't be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so but yeah, really excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've already learned a lot like I said and yeah, excited to just keep learning, keep working, keep advancing Indigenous organizations and like Nick just said training for Indigenous youth and employment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a little bit curious, maybe let's just get a better sense of what Nick and his team has been doing for the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm really interested in your take on what's month one look like, and what's your learning curve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what you don't know yet, and any of those sorts of like just some insights because there will be lots of people that are wanting to break into this game somehow and I got a sense that you've got some insights or some guidance you can probably share.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's come back in in a moment, but Nick, tell us a little bit more about some of the things you guys do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're more than just a fire fighting services contractor that I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you come for nation's wildfires are really interesting organization, um, kind of give a little bit of a history for those out there who

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[SPEAKER_01]: aren't aware of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's 14 first nations in the Yukon most of them are self-governing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Under the umbrella final agreements, every nation has a initial attack fire crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These initial attack fire crews are similar to the ones across Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're three or four person crews, type one crews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They hit the fire right away when the fire starts, you know, first on scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones that, yeah, you see jumping out of helicopters from all the Yukon all the way to, you know, the other side of Canada on the east coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so each nation gets this crew mandated and they're, they get it for in perpetuity for time and at forever going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to join wife and W that nation often puts that contract over to their development corp or their community corp because the community corp is hiring people the development corp is making money and it's a contract that in theory makes make some money and so from there it's a sign to you converse nation's wildfire and so all of our shareholders

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[SPEAKER_01]: have assigned First Nations wildfire, their initial attack contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are the communities, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the communities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the communities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So right now, we have right now, we currently have nine nine partners and nine initial attack contracts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so

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[SPEAKER_01]: we hire for those crews, those crews work with government on government bases against similar to the rest of Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They report to government supervisors at day to day, but we are the ones who hire and employ those personnel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's an interesting, interesting way that the organization runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We also run sustained action, unacruz, we're the only organization in the UConn to do that

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right now we have two and this year coming up we're going to expand that to three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're pretty proud of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The news, brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are those are territorial, territorial resources rather that's supposed to just regional resources.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're trying to really expand opportunity, like I said earlier in the intro, really try to expand opportunity for indigenous youth and youth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: across the north and give them the opportunity to fight fire in their backyard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really all sort of emergencies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you seeing a fairly good uptick in interest from a lot of the youth coming from these communities wanting to do this type of work?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the uptick that we're seeing and we're proud of being able to bring more people into the fold, but like as you both know, and I know, you know this especially retention, that key word is one of the huge, one of those things that it's really tough to do for any sort of seasonal work, especially over time, and losing those people who move on, losing that knowledge and not being able to transfer it down

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[SPEAKER_01]: is what, you know, is what kills people and or kills industries and so we're seeing a greater attention right now because of the culture we're building and it's really taken a team to do that and dedicated people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no in no way shape or form is it one person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is truly a community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even just wife and w. It's all of our partners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the people who support us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the people online.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the families.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole community that allows for that culture to change.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and so we may instigate it but we're nothing without everybody sounds like everybody's everybody's rallied around a purpose right like that's always the core word that's around any sort of these great groups that we've we've had in you know previous episodes and that's sort of stuff as well you know we either be some in the NGOs or any of the other you know

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[SPEAKER_03]: any of the groups out there, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It all rallies around purpose, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think as long as everybody can, it sounds like to me that you guys have an amazing culture around that purpose and why you exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may have those figure heads, or at least those people that you see on the face of it, but that's very much just the tip of the iceberg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody in that position can do it without a team behind them and I really wanna give focus on that bottom half, that nobody really does see a lot

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[SPEAKER_01]: really put the whole thing into play.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a question for yourself coming in, there's well in coming in and seeing this, you know, obviously fresh eyes, you know, seeing, seeing what we're at.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They, there's got to be like, you know, we've talked about this quite a bit in the past about, you know, the military fire departments, police agencies, where we've lost

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[SPEAKER_03]: the warrior spirit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been kind of sucked out of the organizations, you know, call it the dirty DI, you know, whatever it may be, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we've really kind of like pulled that warrior culture away from a lot of these organizations that made them tick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the purpose that they're here to fight to do things that others, you know, otherwise shouldn't have to or don't want to, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to hear your perspective.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like do you guys see that kind of warrior culture being cultivated

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can definitely, uh, definitely speak to that because one of the things that made me interested in working with wife and w is I've known a number of people who were on the fire line over the last few years having met them and know what type of people they are including ex-military and they are warriors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually saw them become more warrior-like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've a one-young guy new who was in his early 20s And he was maybe not in the best place personally and then I didn't see him for about six months And then I ran into him one day big a smile and in good shape and I'm like, hey, what you're doing and he had joined a wife and w and he was just

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[SPEAKER_02]: complete 180 great headspace and more of a warrior and that's the culture and it was on I made it one week before I started doing push-ups at W. They had me so yeah, and now we do it We gave it work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, just about four days warm and period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't just wait till they break out the crib board and you got to play push-up a point Oh, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I've been I've been

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've dabbled in crib, so it's so important.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just, you know, and I ask that question only because, you know, as you, you know, you talk about culture, you know, it's very tough to build that culture, you know, without that one key ingredient, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and if we aren't all on the one-year line together and swing in the same direction and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: fight and fighting together, you know, there's equally just as much if not a hundred times more weight behind in the support groups behind, you know, those those teams to do what they do effectively and these groups in the rear echelon are the ones that are really supportive of that purpose as well, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would, I would say that like the thing that matters most about that is that there's proper direction and supportive direction from leadership to allow those crews to do to do just that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that the diversity of our crews is what makes them strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wife and W is inclusive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to meet certain standards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wildfire is an industry where we accept anybody, but you still have to achieve, you know, X, Y and Z, otherwise you

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't make it on to the one of the crews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been a standards or a classic example of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, if you can make those standards, I don't care who you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're welcome on to the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those different perspectives, those new ideas, challenging norms, challenging the way we've done things, trying to find efficiencies, whether that's through new technology,

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[SPEAKER_01]: or new ways of doing something, bringing something from the military, bringing something from could be bringing something from university or your backyard garden, whatever works to get the job done better is what we're about and we're the great part about working where we do is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're able to make that transition and make that pivot quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what makes us a unique organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I worked with fire crews for your 50 pounds ago, I used to promote the notion that everybody doesn't matter if they're the most experienced or the greenest person on the crew, they had their own lens on thing and that lens came from all their different unique experiences in their knowledge and they're upbringing, their values and all that sort of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody looking collectively at the challenge and for the solution brought something valuable to that conversation and I know you guys do that and that's a hugely powerful motivator for people like that young fellow that you just described a moment ago don't probably didn't have a lot of acceptance or positive reinforcement growing up as a child right and could have easily taken the right path instead of the wrong path in his life so creator at some point

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[SPEAKER_03]: percent of that opportunity to diversity is everything within within the team, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where we see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You want that I did some time with the Canada Task Force, too, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we deployed before McMurray and that's what it says.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, those teams, they're built up with 180 different people who are doctors, nurses, you know, tech guys, you know, and comms guys, and all these other things that they do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just a guy that taught everybody how to turn off what on tire chains, nobody enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was my old thing is like you guys all talk about what we do when we get to the disaster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Has anybody even thought about how to get to the disaster?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we ran everybody through that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of people that were hating their lives over trying to learn to turn on tire chains.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that, you know, I got some kind of, that was been burning a hole in the back of my head here that I wanted to ask you, you know, for a while now you obviously guys have a bit of a change of government there, you know, that happened here the spring and we are in November to December there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you seeing that as a positive change on your side with where you guys are going is, you know, reserve comment or like are you seeing that there's more co here's and maybe potentially or.

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[SPEAKER_01]: happy to speak to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, there's actually been a change in government, both at the federal level or at least a change in the cabinet, if you will, as well as at the territorial level for us there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those things do affect us to some degree, but the biggest part, or the biggest part that we're still trying to achieve, is to not let them affect us as much as you would think it would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds kind of like a non-answer and cryptic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's being said, we're trying to make ourselves, at least as independent from those changes as possible, smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we do what we do and we do it well, you know, modesty aside, we're really good at what we do and that's why we're in the position that we're in and we're growing organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every or every government that comes into play will recognize that the opportunity that we give to people and the successes that we give to people, whether it be the communities in the north,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if we're exporting our crews and helping out our neighbors to south, that should not be looked at as a political win or a way to say a way to bolster that party in any sort of way, everybody wins when when we're there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so really trying to get that message across again, not during an election.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is these things happen before similar to emergency events.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't go out and you make, you know, make partners during the emergency sort of conversations happen before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just have to make sure that those people who are going to be in those positions understand that before they have to make a decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a little bit curious about Dalton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I jokingly call you a new guy, and that might be your handle moving forward, which is a sign of respect, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got a nickname already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so you've just jumped into this, from your description of your background, it doesn't have a lot of operational wildfire or emergency management stuff or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by your own admission you've just been learning so much like I got to think the learning curve is pretty steep right now But I take for granted because that's the world that I come from you know next world so I understand it all But what are you thinking like what are you seeing you know and and if you were to offer some advice to Somebody looking to get into this business, you know, what what is that what is that piece of don't look like here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's definitely a great question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have definitely asked myself that as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so first part of the question is what I'm seeing which is a lot of

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of how an organization, especially when it's a non-governmental organization, because when you're not in this field in any way other than sort of experiencing the smoke in the air when you're driving down the highway and you're, oh, then it must be coming from that direction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It smells more when I go that way than you sort of think of it as any organization working here is probably

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[SPEAKER_02]: run by the government really.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's, and you said, well, there's you come for a nation wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how they fit into this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, once you step into that, you see and, and Nick already touched on the, the, the indigenous, the initial attackers and all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So learning a lot about how that, and it seems quite unique to me and how it's,

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[SPEAKER_02]: this partnership.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's working with the government, but it does its own thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It does all the training, all its mandate to employ indigenous and youth around the territory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really just diving in and learning how the organization structured and how it works, meeting people, and learning how I can do my best to sort of advance its goals and see how we can, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: deploy our crews, where they're needed most effectively, and have agreements in place so that we can assist so that when the fire hits, we already know that there's a pathway for our guys to get there to help when it's not in the Yukon, and we have those resources.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just learning all that, and I'm still learning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a huge learning experience, the biggest one I've had in probably 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a general sort of notion or concept out there around expertise and that is it generally takes about 10,000 hours to become expert at something, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So approximately five years of working in the game stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're one month into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a ways to go already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell from your attitude though that you were probably the right candidate for them to pick for this job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Retention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the magic word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Retention.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the string.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The deer bind the three and pushups.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I absolutely understand and get the draw of the...

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[SPEAKER_00]: the core for culture, the camaraderie, you know, I mean, I just saw a fellow a couple of days ago, I had lunch with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We spent 18 years working together in wildfire, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hadn't seen him since before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, but it was just like I saw him yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those bonds that you made that line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's all part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so that's an interesting draw for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You will experience it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially if you do more push-ups than anybody else that was major for that I'm sure one goal I do have yeah, we'll get the crimp board out man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It works Show show your medals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do I got a certain hit the double skunk, but everything else is fun right and scared him away too early Yeah, yeah, keep him long on new to help me out here, but hard to why So anyway, it's just kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean if I could offer you the one piece of advice that I gave Nick a few years ago that was

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[SPEAKER_00]: network network network, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your success in any business, and in particularly this sort of public safety related emergency management, while if I related stuff, it's going to be who you got on speed dial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's on your context list?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can call it O-Dark 30 and you know we'll have your back, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's so huge and you got to get out there and demonstrate that you're in the respect or that you deserve the respect, but once you got it, man, it just goes so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Scoop, I want to ask about Scoop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you guys are obviously dancing your name, your wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is there any aspirations for the team to be outside of wildfire, to be like all hazards, stored of disaster response, sort of thing, and obviously you have a lot of mind-rescue stuff that happens up there and if all sorts of other events, I'm just curious about that, is the mandate potentially widening or is it wider than I may be understand right now or where you guys go with the team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, we train multi-hazard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the, the name is wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We respond to floods.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do search and rescue you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's essentially looking at it like the best, the best thing or the best way to look at and I'm sure like anybody who's listening to this has a, I was like, you know, a genuine interest in emergency management and,

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[SPEAKER_01]: response and the four pillars and what have you, but think of it just as a team of 20 people who are fit, who communicate well, both with anybody they're reporting to or with each other, they're mobile, they know what to order in terms of resources, they know what they need to do to get the job done and they can pivot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really quickly if the operation isn't going the way they need it to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that sort of team, like how would you want to employ that team during a wildfire, during a flood, during a pandemic, you know, during an accident on the highway, you know, could you use these resources?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you need all 20?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you only need 10?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they can split up into squads of five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, there's tons of options out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously wildfire is our game, but we also live in the north.

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[SPEAKER_01]: accesses tough, you know, getting anything anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so making sure that we're able to respond to anything that needs to happen is kind of like the way that we train, that we train.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like I say, wildfire is the focus, but you got to be ready for everything and it leans that that led itself to this other part of the organization and that yeah, we're building wildfire fighters for sure, but we're also building community members.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just about who you are on the line and you know, when you come back to the base,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, generally you're going to be a seasonal worker and you're going to go back into the community whether it's a UConn community or sometimes there's some here in BC, but you're going back home to families.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not spending your time with wife and W. We want to make sure we're sending back the best people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to make sure the people coming into wife and W spending time with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're learning and excelling and then they're taking that training elsewhere and that other people benefit from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a really key understanding that, um, yeah, that really kind of, it's an integral to the thinking out why a friend of you is making sure that it's not just the job that you're looking at, you know, it's not just the summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that lens, yeah, that lens is very, very well to a couple things that I can think of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One is you're helping the person be the best person they can be, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're creating conditions for them to flourish in their own personal growth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that sounds like that's a little bit of warm and fuzzy, woo, stuff out there, but it's absolutely true in the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other piece I'm picking up on here is you guys are contributing quite a bit to that broader notion of community resilience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, make no mistake about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People who live in the north are very resilient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they can survive the worst mosquito clouds, and the coldest winters for weeks on end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they'll be sick of you as we're deadly in the winter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But...

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's still a need right there's still a need to continue to build the resilience so so i like your model where you've got all of the communities and each community's got some capacity for its own wildfire response and by extension flood support and a few other things probably but i still think there's there's room for everybody too where my where my mind goes is really about you know like you mentioned back a couple times this this all comes from

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[SPEAKER_03]: good quality leadership and it sounds like you guys got a real good handle on everything from the mental health capacity of each individual person and what they bring back to the community as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's often something that's overlooked in a lot of these agencies is like, let's just use them throw them home, but if you're able to cultivate a really healthy environment, which just sounds like you guys have, you know, that mental health piece is a massive massive component in this, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's gain more traction recently and honestly, we're really thankful that it has like across all emergency management, self-care, making your mask on first before assisting others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That whole notion that you can't be the best that you can be unless you are taking care of yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a leader, you tell someone to take days off if they're sick or rest in recovery when they're hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but then oftentimes you're not gonna be the one to do that and switching that whole mindset off and or up I should say encouraging time off, you know, taking care of the team so that the team can take care of others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's taken, we're, we're getting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much more to do, but we've gone through everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, mistakes have been made, we have learned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just like any young business totally, but I mean, it's that's the that's the part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, and I don't say that is like an exasperated like saying or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, I mean, we're in a we're in a privileged position to learn from mistakes and like have that the part of our day today, the motto that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go by and I have written down in my books and in my, on my computer and what have you is, uh, is Semper L. Drina and that's Latin for always learning, but it's really fun because it's also Latin for always teaching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, uh, saying that I try to really embrace in that, you know, you can get, like I was saying earlier, you can get,

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[SPEAKER_01]: little tips that make your life easier from absolutely anywhere and as long as you're open to that, you know, it could be about leadership, it could be about cooking, it could be about tying your boots, it could be just any little thing that makes your day to day easier, you know, contributes to that greater good and that's really what really what matters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe, maybe I'll add one thing to about the leadership aspect because one of the things at YFNW is that a lot of the leaders and a lot of the team throughout the organization has experience going back to the early days of the organization and then before then working in fires at all different levels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was one of the things I was cognizant of and I stayed it out right when I was first

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so I'm sort of coming into an environment that's established, that has, you know, vets there, that know what they're doing and have been at all parts of on the far line and in different organizations, different parts of the country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm coming in really new to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to get the confidence put on me, that then empowers me to be confident as well has been absolutely game changing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's something that's really valuable and that culture is I was actually just talking with Nick about this yesterday about the culture you have in an organization is a lot more important than the actual skill set.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not that I'm not skilled and everyone alive in WS skilled but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably the least skilled, but it's so important when the culture is there and is established, you can't break it and you can't have a rotten apple or else it's gonna spoil the whole thing and that's when the turnover and it all gets worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanna just sort of build off a comment you made a moment ago here, you said you were the least skilled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I look at that from the context of you may not have the operational wildfire field skills like Nick and in the team have got, but you've got a whole different skill set that you bring into it that they don't got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me that's a cold knock opportunity for it because you can ask those questions, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we do it this way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how do you do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it done that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a better way?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It also allows others to ask themselves those questions too, for I like, I mean, you know, you may be asking the question, but it's like, hey, why are we doing this this way?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it allows other people to take a step out of their own, you know, their own skin and gain a little bit of perspective, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Easier a way to wrap up an extension cord sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got to think Nick,

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[SPEAKER_00]: part of the hiring was by design, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't didn't necessarily want to hire somebody with lots of wildfire skills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wanted a fresh new lens on some things, particularly around business development, where innovation and opportunity need to be forefront always.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, we definitely went through, we made sure there was some specific things that Dalton was bringing to the table and he definitely missed represents himself when he says he's slowly skilled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As we just went over, that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's different skills that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the team, just like Cole, you were saying earlier with CTF2, like it's that team is awesome because there's so many different skilled individuals that make up that greater hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we see this through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know task forces and and and things and those who respond to these emergencies and these events across the world is that the best teams are made up of a bunch of experts and those are the ones that you see and you know like I want to be a part of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: by so many NGOs are so strong and so many different fashions right because a lot of them are civilian kind of based you know civil construction guys and engineers and that sort of stuff right and and in their own fashion or are not that flashy but together make a hell of a team right so totally I gotta ask you this the uh

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're mentioned that coast to coast kind of thing or at the beginning there, you're talking about obviously engagements coast to coast, what does that look like for you guys?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like what obviously you guys up in Newcon have an early fire season, typically every year, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, that obviously phrase you up for a little bit of assistance that you can offer others, whether it's into NWT or, you know, down into the province, that sort of things, do you have a considerable amount of cross-collaboration, or multi-user interoperability with a lot of these other groups or?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to, that's something we're definitely trying to develop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Generally, our unicruiser, these are those 20-person crews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're exported either directly to other governments or through the SIFC framework, SIFC being the Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Center of which all governments, all provinces, and territories generally are a part of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the thing that exchanges wildfire resources across Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, wife and W right now, really unique with the relationship that we have with the territorial government and wild land fire management back in the Yukon, and that we part of our services agreement is that we are exportable through SIFC as an indigenous organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you don't see that very many other places in Canada and we really that was a big push of becoming wife and W it's you know getting that opportunity to do so but I digress back to what I was saying before is that yes and WTBC Alberta Saskatchewan we're in the west right now we'd love to see more movement and more movement is coming

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[SPEAKER_01]: unfortunately, like I said before, it's a growth industry and smoke is across Canada these days, even on the East Coast last year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: 100 year cycles are starting to become six years, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're starting to see an uptick and a little bit of everything and it's kind of biting everybody as a surprise, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is the thing is that we want to see not only wife and W resources being shared this way, not only wife and W indigenous resources, we want indigenous resources to be shared across the country.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if there's a crew that knows what to do over in northern Quebec and there's something happening here in BC, you know, if all other resources are tapped, bring those guys in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Put you some, you know, we need to look at the resources we have here in our literally in our backyards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: before we're bringing in our neighbors and I'm not here to crush down on our neighbors and the support that we get from other countries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're always going to need that and I really want to make sure that that is understood, but I also want to speak very definitively to the fact that there is a ton of trained individuals across Canada in wildfire and most of them

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[SPEAKER_01]: are indigenous and they're not being used in these emergencies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we really want to see a time get to a point where we're using everybody and then we're bringing people in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're starting to see what we need more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can train them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see that with again with some of the government, you know, down to BC, for example, with Edmont, you know, coming out and

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[SPEAKER_03]: and a few of these things like we know that the words are starting to, you know, the words are kind of form in the way that they'd like to see that direction go is the action to be taken is really where we're all kind of, I guess, constructively trying to move, right, as the action takes that, follows the words, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one thing to have an act, it's another thing to act on it, you know, totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So first means are good, you know, words are good,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, anyone can say anything the whole term talk is cheap is just that if you want to follow up that meeting with, you know, a tangible result, that's what we're here to do and that's what we're here for we really need people to step up and and sometimes rock the boat and the way that it hasn't been used to is it going to take time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, is it going to be difficult?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, are you probably going to have to work on the weekend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, yes, it's not going to be easy to change this framework that, you know, to something new that hasn't existed before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the potential benefit for just people in general, and we're all here to help people in general, is just, it's just massive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, it seems logical, but like you say, well, I mean, we're getting there and we're seeing things happen, I'm optimistic about where we're going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's another thing here, too, that we sort of danced down a little bit, and it goes back to those deployments, out of Providence, out of territory stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, excuse me, I remember from my early years in Wildfire, again, 40 or 50 pounds ago, where deployments outside of the region weren't that common, they happened within the Province.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They hardly ever went out of Providence, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a thing, and then it started to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the crews would come back from that and they'd just be and that's the best thing that happened, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it started to reinforce the whole positive elements of the culture already because they started to deploy more and they started to go to more places in Canada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they started to work with crews from other provinces that they'd worked for, or with before, and they started to develop bonds and friendships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they started to deploy it Australia, and the team from Ontario on the team from Alberta would connect down there for a month at a time, right, and come back and now they're life-long friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of stuff is huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was up with your facility three years ago, maybe?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the difference?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe when the cruise had just come back from Alberta, deployment of Alberta, and I think it was the first one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those guys were all a meter off the ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were just so high about the deployment out of province.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a hugely motivating thing for so many reasons, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some free to pay attention to adults.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just just kind of on the side like be the fly in the wall and just just watch that kind of stuff when they go for deployment and they come back and how they react and how they talk and how excited they are and how happy they are to be back home after they get a few days of rest of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a few years ago, and he was definitely a few feet off the ground.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got to do is we've got to harness that energy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It comes back to the house and we've got to start.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I say we as a collective only because we're all kind of in the in the disaster space.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or the responder space as well, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's to bring that into your house, you know, bring that energy into your house and start, you know, bringing this closer to home to make your own home the best first line of defense, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's often a thing that's missed is that like we can do what we do on the on the front lines and you can do what you do in your capacity, what you do, but when you can bring that energy home, you know, and start applying it to your own household, you know, we're talking about fire smart team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it needs to be more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My research is, you know, and just try to hold.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Educating your kids, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Educating your kids on, you know, we had an amazing episode with all set, all set packs, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they have their 72 hour pack and everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And has everything, it's amazing, it's amazing quality pack.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you guys don't have one, you gotta get one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they, I was gonna bring it today, so I could show you guys, but my point is is that like, you don't know

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[SPEAKER_03]: like it is kids that are growing up they can be harnessing energy they feel great when they see their mom or dad come into the room you know what I mean it's like hey this this is what we did kids look up to that but it also creates a a stronger community a stronger environment tossed to be our best first line of defense in order to not be a burden on emergency services not just plugging up the streets right have any more proactive kind of

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess empowering the community to part of the solution as a part as opposed to just a dependency, you know, on on what's there, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I see that energy coming back quite a bit and I just think like, man, if some of that is just so untapped where these guys could be, if given the right tools, how they can actually get their families involved in this as well, right, sure that journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know several second generation and a few third generation wall land firefighters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right so obviously mom or dad brought something home and that landed with the kids and they wanted to be like mom or dad when they grew up right it's it's all about the family values peace yeah so they come home they're a good person they demonstrate good values around helping other people rubs off on the kids again that's a good community resilience as well we guys are family resilience and you guys are from it's not like there's a

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like there's a giant city rapeseed where you live or anything like nobody's coming to save you giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It depends if you're thirty five thousand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you drive all the way, I learned something actually interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a one of Greg Blackjack to tell me that it's this second largest city border in Canada next to Montreal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that because yeah, well, along with a lot of citizens are green and stand there, uh, you know, on the side of a mountain, there's a lot of pine trees and a lot of trees.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're driving a little bit to the team, you know, hot springs, and I'm just like, we're driving for 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, and we're at the border of the city.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, holy cow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the city, the city, uh, yeah, the city borders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the flags on either end of town and it covers a lot of space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a large footprint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to go back to what you're saying, Cole, about like bringing that that energy home because I think that resonates really a lot with what we're trying to do and you've had previous guests on the show that have spoken to this a lot and it needs to be reiterated because it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like one of the biggest parts of emergency management and something that hasn't changed year over year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that get modified or would have you in the messaging changes a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is stayed for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's that it's the community that really deals with the event and it's your neighbors that you need to rely on, like you say, before those emergency response crews get there if they get there, you know, we're always out there trying to do our best with our crews

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[SPEAKER_01]: we're triaging and doing whatever we can in the moment, but there's always going to be groups of people unfortunately who are going to get missed or who might not get the best response or the best support in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the more public education that we can put out there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: raising that minimum bar of what to do if or if I see this reaction, you know, where do I go or if I get this message from this trusted source of communication that we've established prior to this emergency, you know, what does that make me do or where do I grab my go bag and that sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's so key to everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really can't be overstated enough that yeah, we're always going to be relying on those around us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, you may not talk to your neighbor every single day, but what you can do to improve your chances of survival and their chances is just have a greater understanding of the risks out there, whether you live in BC, whether you live in the Yukon, you know, whether you're in a flood plane,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a desert, you know, what are the potential challenges that you might run into in your area and how are you going to react that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even a cursory glance is going to bring up that reaction time and it's going to be better for everyone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a couple small kids and, you know, one of the things like my boys, like a boys boy, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like

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[SPEAKER_03]: shooting, they're biking, fighting every waking hour of the day, you know, so, but the one thing is it's super fascinating, you know, with everything that I do or everything that goes on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why is this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why is that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I always say that our future starts with our children, you know, to me, like, we're already up there, you know, broken, you know, all that sort of stuff, but what we can do is that we can be better educated as adults to pass that down to our children.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Our children will be better educated to pass down to their children.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's not just us that have to know this stuff, but the kids are hungry for this information.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're hungry for like, hey kids, if you see a grass fire, the size of the dinner plate, this is how you put it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't just film it with your phone until it turns into a wildfire and burrs down through so true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, so we have this, we have this onus on ourselves to take that warrior culture to take that kind of that stick and run with it on teaching our kids to be

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just find it so fascinating up where you guys are operating in, you know, because that couldn't be more true than up in the Yukon, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very resourceful people, you know, up there to, you know, I was just going to mention that we just came out of record break in December where it was, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're able to make it through that, you're, you're, uh, you conner, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, you know how you feel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like plus eight all winter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were, we were feeling your pain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I, and just going really quickly to like the sort of community that that Nick was touching on is when that happens and it's the same when you get into the fire season, you do have your neighbors might come up and check on you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and just say, come by and say, make sure it's, I know it's been minus 40 for a week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you okay?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's still working here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have what you need?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and that's the sort of thing that happens more in the UConn and should happen more overall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to take your comment about how to put the fire out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have fond recollections of my brothers and I starting a few of those grass fires with my kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to carry this conversation down that path to community resilience because I like what you guys are doing with the youth training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've had some great successes with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My mind when we were talking a moment ago, immediately went to...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if there's programs that you can extend into the family around personal resilience, preparedness, those sorts of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And can you leverage that somehow as a recruitment, an early, early recruitment thing for the next generation of, of good citizens somehow, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cultivating, cultivating something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, there's something there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the new business development guy can put his mind around that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it might be a deliverable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to work on it in the hot springs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got to add it to the list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, if you guys are good, we'd like to get you back on another call sometime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we happen to be in the same town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we can also do this stuff online just as easily as well, but there's more, there's more to unpack here for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm honestly pretty inspired by this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, we've obviously, you know, connected with a lot of digger scripts across Canada so far, right, to especially ourselves at Bexel and, you know, with the disaster field system and that sort of stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you see varying degrees of functionality, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, but everybody has, it seems like every single group that we have has that same,

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[SPEAKER_03]: want and need and desire to do or to become kind of where you guys are at here today, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's nice to see that you guys are setting the bar in that so that we can actually collaborate, bring groups to the table, that otherwise need guidance or need any sort of collaboration on the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's nice to see that this movement is actually working and you know more constructive than not, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you so much for everything that you guys have shared with us here today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We look forward to the next episode because I feel like, you know, it's not too far away.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll come up to your neck of the woods.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'd love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd love the extended family team, new guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for coming on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for coming on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody, for all the listeners out there, stick around, you know, check out the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll look forward to that one happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you.