2 | Why Splatsin Joined the Disasterfield Network (with Shawn Tronson)

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[SPEAKER_00]: Attention, buckle in, shelter in place and prepare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the disaster field show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because challenges are different from what my grandpa taught me, but a lot of people say this is ours.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess challenges trying to change people's view as it doesn't belong to just one group.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this goes back to our very first day in Welfare from the very first debriefs on the smallest fire we went to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Communications was always a prominent theme around what were some of the challenges were, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we can just simply connect everybody together and get that clear communication happening back and forth without ego, without, you know, the pre-formed barriers and all the other stuff that we have, we can start utilizing a lot more, especially the youth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Real disaster stories told by those on the ground and in the air, followed by a disaster field after action review that turns the lessons learned into actionable takeaways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so Sean Tronson, welcome to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for coming on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean is the emergency programs coordinator at Splatson, which is a First Nations community here in the Okanagan, up in the NDBBC area.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and we are here obviously today just have a conversation about you know you're obviously your background really fascinating story that you have you know and the few years that you've been doing this so I'll let you introduce yourself a little bit that wants to tell us a little bit about where you come from who you are what's your story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you cool for having me on pleasure to be here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I name a Sean Tronson.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I started my journey in emergency management back in 1992.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's some good teachers over the years and followers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I've learned a lot there to help my background with the, uh, I guess with the first nation communities to see where our short calls and emergency management are.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm using my wildfire experience where did I start 92 and I ended in 2013 and when I retired from wildfire management, then I did a four-year term as a counselor for Splatson First Nation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that really opened my eyes to all the shortfalls in different areas and departments.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I

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[SPEAKER_03]: My focus after my term ended, I picked up an emergency management to help out all different types of communities and stuff to

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[SPEAKER_03]: help them move forward and in what we need to do to work together with other government agencies and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and while 92, I mean, we're obviously seeing a massive shift in in transit climate and all that stuff, right, which, you know, it's obviously getting warmer later and stuff like, I mean 92, like, what is 92, look like in the wildfire space compared to today, like, are you, where did you start in 92?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was your first deployment?

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[SPEAKER_03]: 1992, my first deployment was Denver, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, in the Kootenies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the new Denver area.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice and steep to start.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Heavy back and yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Newt says 50, 50 pounds ago.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a whole 50 pounds ago for both of us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We worked together that year quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we've had our 34th anniversary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lucky us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 34 years, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the friendships.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I mean, the signature of the business rate, lifelong friendships.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Trust-based.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the brotherhood that you create, kind of when you're on the ground, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You bet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a bit of the killer, kill, be killed mentality a little bit out there, because it's, yeah, I mean, you're dealing with some formidable enemies, you know, with threats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, those wildfires, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: 200 foot flames and.

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[SPEAKER_04]: 1800 degrees she gets real real Harriet times and so to bring this back to your question a moment ago, um, I think Sean you'll agree with us back then buyers were just kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, so if you had a big fire, it was only two or three thousand hectares and it was way in the back country and there's no threat to anything other than timber usually and yeah, but that's changed considerably now like it just seems like just about every fire of any size now usually threatens somebody or some infrastructure or some value at risk somehow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's it's quite a bit different.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would you would agree with that statement because things now we learned there for all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: First nation communities or archeological sites out there, culture sensitivity sites that we didn't actually think of back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we brought a lot more attention to that nowadays with the, you know, just know it in a world first of all known where they are, but having the technology to even track where they are right and, and, you know, I think it used to be brushed under the rug quite a bit and nowadays it's there, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, so my experience with some of that was back in the day like Sean said, we didn't really know what was out there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe somebody in some of the communities or some of the elders knew of something and there would have been some stuff mapped in a very confidential sort of a way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But we just didn't know, but I lived over in the little bit area and one of the elders from one of the communities there would take me out, you remember Albert?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so he was also in wild fire.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a few years older than us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, he would take me out and he'd show me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: on the land, you know, the culturally modified trees, how to recognize the trail, the mat lodge, just the lithics scattered from toolmaking, and we just started to recognize that stuff, so that anytime we went out on the land to a fire, if we saw some of this stuff, we just take pictures and we document a location and then provide it to the tribal council.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I gotta ask though, like, you know, with that knowledge transfer, like, growing up as a kid, you know, prior to getting into wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: there had to be like was there a venture was there something that got you kind of interested in being obviously this is more of a selfless kind of sacrifice in doing something to protect the community what what kind of where that start with you like was it from a young kid and being kind of taught from your from the elders or you know was it just something naturally that you wanted to always get into.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I Culture-wise it's I guess I'd be I wasn't part of any scoop 60 scoop for anything but my mother was the last one and that I know of from my Media side of the family that was residential school

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[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, that took a lot of the training they could have gave me over the years, because at one point my father was actually, I don't even want to say a shame, but we stayed away from our culture until I was well in my height and my teens when I did start with Wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I was fortunate enough to know my great grandpa and my great granny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was 89 when he passed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was 177 when she passed away.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now that I think of what stuff I remember stories that he told me and now they're making more sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To me as a person, to where I try to use this to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Bring us together and we're in the management through other departments like CSRD and all their municipalities and townships and stuff and bring us together that we need to work together because this land now is providing all of us are living not just one group or the other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, once it really is a fight to break down, we've chatted about this many times a fight to break down those silos or those, you know, pre built walls that have been up around a lot of these different organizations, you know, and how they communicate effectively with one another right and it's it's one thing to move into a municipality and just, you know, simply follow the follow the rules of direction from.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then you got the entire, you know, the treaty side, you got the land management side, you got there's just so much more information, but there's also a, for my understanding, there's a, there's a really clear delineation or difference between, you know, the way that, you know, a municipality are off, you know, off reserve would, would handle things versus, you know, the residents in that community, right, and on that reserve.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these are really interesting times that we're in, I think, in, in, you know, these, especially these last five years, because we've had some pretty big events that have brought drawn a lot of attention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's maybe like, you know, even.

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[SPEAKER_02]: hopefully brought out to the light and individuals like yourself who are trying to step up to do more and continue the improvements and I would offer to influences as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I know Sean fairly well and he's a pretty good influencer with a lot of people because you get it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You get the big picture, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what your success is going to look like and it's not going to be a solo show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It can't be a solo show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I agree with Steve and I guess since he taught me how to fight fires, being my instructor back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really appreciate the knowledge I've learned from Wildfire to help me help my community and help other communities try to move forward and learn the times because fires are changing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's something we just need to be more aware of.

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[SPEAKER_03]: be more of more common sense to to deal with it for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we want to end and want to say the the spots like spots in here with with the emergency programs coordination side you guys have you mentioned 32 campfires or 32 communities that are 32 communities.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, from in premier to just west of Williams Lake.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not, it's not just your own little area that you're communicating with, your communicating with a lot of people across the vast territory, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, my mother's splatzen and my father's Oconogans, so I try to share both ways to, to open these conversations up with, with the, do you see it, do you see it starting to, what's your experience has been on, on the conversation between the different Indigenous

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they, are they all starting to align or like I started to see a little bit more uniformity is to how they, um, we obviously have some big changes with our emergency management act and BC and Alberta and stuff that's becoming much more, uh, openly inclusive, you know, to make and, uh, indigenous communities more resilient, if you will, and manage your own emergency management

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little process like anything else because the shortage of funding for positions and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to take a few years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think for it's like learning how to ride a bike, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we get changes of governments all the time on first nations and non first nations.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So by the time we get somewhere to

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[SPEAKER_03]: signed the dotted line.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like there's a change and we're going to start a little over again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we throw the baby over the bathwater seems to be the common theme with I mean, we're seeing that with just even change over our emergency management groups, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, we're not doing that guys way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it our way, you know, forget about what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to restart every every few weeks, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, you know, you almost one step forward, two steps back kind of thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's I could imagine

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[SPEAKER_03]: But people are starting to open their eyes and realize that any type of emergencies are there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like part of my department now, they've actually thrown me in to add food sovereignty and water sovereignty, because we have one river out by my place in Clahal called Simon River.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like basically a creek to where the 50 dry fish aren't going to make it back up to spawn this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it goes back and act that changing of environments, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, how does it change?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: well yeah that's yeah people don't think about that either because I mean it's it is really boat there there's so much more that that's makes up an emergency or or a disaster than just simply wildfire right like wildfires obviously the biggest you know most visible threat that we can see right now that's obviously you know evacuating many communities but there's so many other disasters out there like you said like you know just simply food security

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a is a disaster in itself if it's not maintained properly, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And and break down into the start moving to other communities in the coast, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like we mentioned like Belkula and all these other ones, you know, you got water issues, you got flood issues, you got, you know, it's not just wildfire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's a lot to manage.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Contamination issues are big one as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, along coast there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people aren't good to the planet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, it's been a, it's been an interesting kind of thing to watch myself because obviously, you know, I'm just scraping the surface compared to you guys and the, you know, the depths of your experience in the wildfire space, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, where do you where do you kind of see this going, but again, the youth engage on the communities like with, you know, obviously being able to build up the systems a little bit to be able to get more engagement more knowledge transfer or where do you kind of see this going right now with the inner, I guess the integration of technologies and utilizing those effectively for your communities.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we've come a long ways in past five years, um, where we're moving forward with, uh, VxL, we're, uh, meshing and being able to detect stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've also using another company called SenseNet, so I'm gonna hopefully be able to use those two technologies to compare each other, but they'll work hopefully well together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to use this as an introduction to share the bunch of other communities across the province and Canada to really sell these products so we can actually take more action to help look after the territories we were here to look after, but it's not here to look after.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I do a lot of work with First Nation communities around BC mostly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and I've done quite a few after action reviews on some of the bigger events that have happened in recent history in BC either led to more or supported the the team that was doing them and without a doubt and this goes back to our very first day in Wildfire from the very first debriefs on the smallest fire we went to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Communications was always a prominent theme around what some of the challenges were right and so communication can be we don't have radio coverage but communication almost always includes we're not sharing information well with people and I know for the longest time a lot of the communities weren't getting good timely information from whatever the responder agencies were

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so their ability to make the best decision to protect their community or defend the best interests of their community were really limited because they didn't have that information.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So one of the things that I'm seeing with your disaster field tool is that ability for real time situation awareness like once all the players are plugged in and they're there and they're doing what they do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, a bunch of that challenge or uncommunications should go away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I thought someone was really fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about, um, you know, prior to the show here, we were talking about a bit about how,

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[SPEAKER_02]: nature and how animals and how fish and everything like it's all built in instincts it's all built in you know data capture like you know they move they they migrate you know when there is threats coming there is you know they they know when the smokes in the air where where the winds blow like a lot of this traditional you know data capture that has been captured by a lot of these and especially in the indigenous communities right with a lot of the elders and how they transfer

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, we, I just, I find such a unique opportunity for us to, you know, really just kind of be able to not emulate that you can't really duplicate that, but, you know, to try to bring a little bit of that understanding back is to, you know, what are our trends right using these technologies so that we can better manage like there's a big area that like when you're talking about territories or.

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[SPEAKER_02]: traditional, you know, forests and that sort of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are big areas to look after for such a small group of people, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, well, and you look at Splatsons interest.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not a little tiny postage stamp or series of postage stamps near end to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's big, you know, imagine how far somebody could walk in a week or two and then draw a big circle and that would.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the traumas, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The traumas that come from these, yes, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember when we were talking,

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[SPEAKER_03]: with disaster with effects all to get this system put into our place and remember your eyes opening up when you said, oh, we just got a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we showed you where we make a huge gap there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lakes right out towards Jasper and down towards one lake and it's huge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's probably some of the most complex terrain in all of Canada.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like it's not just a land mass.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also the access to, you know, to be able to get to these places right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, and being able to engage with the provincial resources effectively is an augmentation to help, you know, combat these, you know, these fires in this case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's got to be, it's got to be quite challenging.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I can't, can't imagine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, people forget that we just get siloed in these little boxes that we call IR places, but it's, it's a vast area that, like I said, looks after all of us that live in,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, but it all has to play play really effectively from where we are, you know, how far away Revel Stoke is, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't just walk up there in a deer to it's quite a ways further north towards Mike.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a little place called Downey.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a big bend in the lake sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've been on a traditional site at Downey, which was just, it was a

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[SPEAKER_04]: amount of logistics.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It must have been behind getting ready to go up there and spend the amount of time that they did seasonally and do what they did and then come back down for the winter rate.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, I mean, again, you draw that circle.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's more, I don't know how long it would probably take, I would say probably at least a week, if not more, for somebody to walk there, or people to walk there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when we have in these areas, we're having these major events as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we just had the G7 summit, you know, that was hosted here in Canada and Canada

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a lot of different indigenous communities that are obviously in those areas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of territorial land around that space And then we see this all the way going across to can't like all the way across Canada We know we have national parks everywhere Some of these national parks are sitting you know in Saskatchewan in Manitoba and in Ontario We have these converging boundaries, right that need to be very very clearly understood

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to be able to, like, deliver, I guess, you know, a big part of what we're trying to achieve is try to deliver some uniformity and some universal, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: visibility, you know, all of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that everybody can effectively operate together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I'm really fascinated on the rise of these, you know, Indigenous led emergency management groups or like even the wildfire, you know, there's a lot of groups out there that are training type A or type one, sorry, you know wildfire crews, right to be a asset to augment and to help supplement, you know, for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, even the officer for the off territory type events that are happening, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So even the economic impact of what this has to be able to, you know, establish that capability to be able to better employ, you know, a lot of these, a lot of these members in what they're truly passionate about, too, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So have you seen, have you seen yourself, I guess?

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, somebody who's obviously well connected to a lot of different nations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You see in a lot more of these groups kind of standing up and trying to, trying to operate themselves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Last few years, yes, there's a few shrubnik bands up around the canals area that have their own type one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I crews started up now and I don't actually got to play to help out in, I think, Saskatchewan this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a big win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really opening up and.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just getting, trying to teach our own governments to start standing up for ourselves to say we don't need the OK because we are our own government.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we can, like I said, work together more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: More efficiently to hopefully help save more of our territories and cultural areas.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm fortunate to have known Sean for a long time, so I've got a pretty good idea who's in his network and believe me when I tell you, man, there's some impressive talent in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a bunch of five gallon heads with a bunch of 10 gallon brains.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I think that's where that's kind of where I get at is that, you know, the untapped talent or the untapped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: experience that that so many people have where you know if we can just simply connect everybody together and get that clear communication happening back and forth without ego without you know the you know the pre-form barriers and all the other stuff that we have we can start utilizing a lot more especially the youth right the youth that are really looking to be a value and of purpose right and you mentioned some earlier about the Mars

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[SPEAKER_03]: Martin Mars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The old Martin Mars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that because you mentioned you're out on ground with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a pretty big beast to work with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was it was a monster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It it done its duties and fulfilled what need to do in the coast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But not real it people not realizing over here in the interior.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We get that beast going on a really hot day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the third of his water hit the ground because it dissipated on it just evaporates right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: On a cloudy day, it worked a lot better but it made a mess for us ground crews on the line because it made more danger trees, made our slopes unstable.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just things people don't see there and sometimes it would just feel loads so badly that we'd have to start all over and move over again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just because the weight of the drop sort of thing and just knocking down trees and that sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just yeah, it, well, you're in the way of it, it's hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, no, just so, it would be a slap on the back by your sisters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and then something like that, so it was a really high profile aircraft because it was big.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the general public just came to assume that it was the savior, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But Sean points out very accurately.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It had its, it had a good place and where it was most effective.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Generally, it was down at the coast where they had really, really quick cycles off the water and where all of the supporting for structure was already in place there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's an entourage.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's semi trucks and boat trailers and many people that have to travel with that thing to keep it going if they move it on to Okinawa Gilek as an example or over to the Kutnis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so it was logistically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very cumbersome.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, like, you think military logistics is something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Choosing this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was wasn't cheap either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a big girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a good example of how technologies are changing, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So what replaced it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're seeing these little little single engineer tankers or seats they're called on floats and in groups.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you should be groups of three now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I see quite commonly groups of Floor tractors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: you bat and they just go out you know they and they just cycle if there's water close by they just go and they run their full fuel cycle and they're very effective when they're in close proximity to the water and the engines and the drops systems for the configuration all of that sort of stuff the technologies are changing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: every year, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, you introduce me to this aircraft that you guys are going to be using.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you'll like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It can be piloted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a two-seater, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's got a glass cockpit and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But it can also be flown as a UDV with other driver and with box tanks, auxiliary tanks, 14 hour cycles.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you have 30 hours of flight time on it with, uh, with it's a probably most awesome drones in the world for that reason, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know, the sensor technology too, like we, we're talking about recently here, you know, the development of tech is pretty impressive, you know, and are just our simple ability to like have, you know, whether it's an indigenous community or a force management group or whoever to be able to actually start utilizing this technology to understand like trends and data collection on

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when our trees are sick, when our forests are, you know, having some troubles and stuff right and just be able to put in, you know, those simple, you know, guardrails, if you will, you know, that kind of cordon's off these different parts of the forest or, you know, we got everything from Beaver.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a eco management side of that where you have to not disrupt everything or just destroy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that collection of data is really, really important.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you know what's a curiosity of mine, because I know it's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know what it's going to look like is Sean's community is going to have your disaster field tool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to use it initially for some of the original intent for on situational awareness and tracking the fires and early warning of things like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: but you're going to have in a home moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe that a home moment is, you know, we can use the image sensors to fly this area every month to see if the viewers are building a dam or they'll start to find all of these other uses for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's exactly what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really curious to see where that goes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I explained this, I was having a coffee the other day with a friend, and he said, you're so excited that you're like, kid in the candy store right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I just coming from 1992 to where we had to use compasses on a paper map.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Try not to get them wet and try to keep your crews together because we didn't have the technology to put tags on them to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or enough radios.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're often wasn't enough radios for the whole crew.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you had to be within yelling distance, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we've, we've come a long way since 92 and just with the technology of Excel's offering, I, I, I'm just flabbergasted of what, in the back of my mind of where this will go to help every community throughout Canada.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're excited because spots in the world's first first nation to join the disaster field network in an extremely meaningful way, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like in a way that can be showcased to many people, not just here in Canada, but around the world, right on how these barriers in these silos can be broke down and they can be carefully,

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[SPEAKER_02]: those connections can be built between everybody who's involved, like, you know, either it's a farmer, it's the local, you know, business owner, it's a residential homeowner who moved down to the Okanagan, you know, who happens live in the end or be in the around, it's a collaborative effort for us to be able to work, you know, together on this and and it was so encouraging, you know, when when slots and, you know, decided to come

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[SPEAKER_02]: We, you guys have some really amazing businesses surrounding your communities while that the community itself works directly with and vice versa, right, and a lot of different agreements and engagements.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just that being able to work together on this mitigation, this risk mitigation to just save those businesses, it means the world for people to be able to generate revenue and simply live down here and continue to build that community, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's it's incredible to see how this thing is moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and you know that you guys are so proactive in such pioneers in the space to be able to see you know the changing environment to what we are doing in technology.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and in my adopting that, what's going to make this really work is the fact that you've got somebody here and shown that that understands like the big picture, the operational side, site level slide, the community supports it, he gets all that stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he can see where the gaps are and he can see the solution to some of the gaps.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you'll build the system, you'll get things working, and other people will get interested and then at some point you'll hand it off to somebody in your community and... Well, I'm super excited because we get, like, whole set we get to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to try to do some training together where I'm, I'm trying to pump up our youth right now with this because who wouldn't want to go fly at your own?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who wouldn't want this technology if he said with the VR systems coming in and stuff, I think I think we're going to have a win here and once we get this set up and I get this

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[SPEAKER_03]: out to the other communities throughout all their first nation communities across BC in Canada, it, it, it, it's going to help all these short.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All the spots we have where we can't fulfill everybody in the EOC so emergency operation center.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, like a story, if my community is getting evacuated, you've known the EOC director at that point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have time to stop that to go help my family evacuate, so with this system, I'm happy because I'll be able to call up to call ups and pass all my information on to them if they're on the same system as you're explaining.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and they can run my USC from their in lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I can go help my community and move out to a space about myself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's that versatility actually is one of those aha moments.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of folks are going to have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're dealing with, we're dealing with some, some communities own, or some indigenous communities, Odin Saskatchewan here, right, and we've been, we've been close contact with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the guys, you said something that was pretty profound.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, he was like, look, like, you know, we're showing them kind of like capabilities with the technology or what technologies can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, wow, that would be amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I haven't spent a summer with my grandkids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in years because I'm always driving the back roads trying to find where the front line of the fire is like so all these guardians are out there driving around manually trying to check and then they're trying to get in either cell service or they're all in risk and they're all in themselves I risk so you know we're seeing this in the well and gas sector we're seeing this you know right across the board where we have people that are kind of being pulled like you said pull the way from their their immediate jobs and focus in order to be able to chase the front line of a fire or flood

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[SPEAKER_02]: and try to relay that back to their own community, hopefully they can get it out to everybody and you know in a universal way, but I thought that was pretty important, like you're utilizing an augment your augmenting as we use, your augmenting the capability to actually have more time with your family and more peace of mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're only this age once and

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know the grandkids grow up and you know the kids grow up and you know so so this is the getting time back as a major thing or you know buying that time is a big deal right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well getting time back started in the 90s at a young age at my first child when I was 17 so right and I look back now at all the world's school journals but I knew for a lot of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, and the job's got to get done, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just what you do between it and that's important and to be able to provide those capabilities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's why I get so excited about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm super passionate about it is because.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, our goal here, you know, collectively is to help ease suffering, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then ease loss and mitigate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, just that exact example of, you know, being able to look after your family, it's not one or the other, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can do both at the same time with that augmentation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not easy being the early adopter, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, somebody's got to fall in that knife the first time for sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: but you do this and then you tell two friends and they tell two friends then after a while it becomes a mass adoption right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's a lead by example thing exactly is all it is right is lead by example and I mean your entire team at spots and is just so forward thinking

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[SPEAKER_02]: and so engaged in the future and where the stuff was going, I've always said that build the containers, I was 10 years ahead, so you can build into it, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't build the container for today or you'll grow out of it, you know, tomorrow sort of things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's been, it's been really encouraging to see and there's a lot of this where, you know, as we push forward in the future here, you know, hopefully a lot more Indigenous communities, they see the value and in what we're all trying to achieve collectively.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And we basically, you know, some, I'm a little bit curious about, maybe we can kind of go down this rabbit hole a little bit here, but Just what you've experienced here in the last few years since you've been in the emergency management portfolio for your community, what have been some of your biggest challenges around that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I know you're really actively engaged in building that collaboration Regional base relationships with all the other players, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: The local governments, yes, with all other communities.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But so what are some of the biggest challenges you've seen around that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: biggest challenges are I guess different from what my grandpa taught me but a lot of people say this is ours and then my biggest challenges trying to change people's views on it doesn't belong to just one group.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said before, it's gonna feed all our groups.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep us all here, keep us all employed, keep us all somewhere to live.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's been a challenge on both sides because I got to get my community.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to think the same way, and trying to get to the endary, let's trade beside us on our doorstep, think in the same way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the past four years just been communication and I think I feel with what I can do myself is we're getting closer to opening those communication doors, but it's just going to have to carry on with the new elected officials that keep recycling in and out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's one of the big challenges, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you guys brought that up earlier on the short term cycles of the governments that are elected and in place.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And really, they're focused on their interests for that for your period and getting elected if that's what they're all about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a challenge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: With any government, like I said, emergency management, my community and the government, are the council and cook, we have a narrowing now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They see the need for this position, but come January 10th, after our election at Splats in the new Council if we don't have things set in stone can just They we don't need this right now and yeah my position goes away again until Something happens and it's after the fact to late again

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost a cultural thing where, as we build these sustainable platforms, if you will, you never just take the rails away on a train track, because then the trains don't run, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It has to be almost like these essential positions that always exist and are not, or specifically, this goes for both sides of any government, municipal, federal, provincial, we're seeing this right now, even with the federal election that we just had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, programs are out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're they got funding behind them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's subsidies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's all sorts of stuff to be able to push the needle and innovation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the carpet gets pulled out from underneath him because all of a sudden that minister is no longer there or you know somebody new comes in that has a completely different idea on how they're going to build the game over there for four years didn't right so we've just seen this this year that's been you know it's caused some pretty devastating kind of outcomes to you know even in Saskatchewan, Manitoba right like there's a lot of ministers that do the shuffle so you know right from a from a local government level all the way up

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[SPEAKER_02]: we need a little bit resiliency in that structure and that that position will always exist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Your position will always exist because it's essential to the actual business itself, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I can just wrap that up by saying when your big challenges are the political climate, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Internal and external and all that sort of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What about operationally?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I guess the blunt question I have is, are you always getting the information that you need to make the best decisions you can for your community, from all the other responder agencies and all the other government agencies, you know, local, provincial federal, that sort of thing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's getting better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we had, like, for example, uh, kilometer and a half from my house last year, we had to call home out and fire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that actually, I think, helped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: After we did, everybody did their own action after review and then I, I made a couple emails going when we all get together that everybody that was involved and we did another action after review as, as multi communities and I think that really opened up a lot of our eyes to, to show where the shortfalls are and that we need to actually work better together because we had

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's all kind of a regional district.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, already I know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And we're not going to in the man was also paying a close tension, so there's, there's a whole bunch of interests just in that one little kind of tiny pocket of real estate there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then we get people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they're going to get better with the experience, but they need to reach out to the ones that were there before to really learn why they make their decisions on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we are getting closer to having more open communications with the after action review.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had with the multi communities.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've learned that we can't soon as wildfire recommends an evacuation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We can't push the red button right away We've we've made it so there's a check box in there now that we got to reach out to one another and have a meeting So we all All our information is the same yep, and we're gonna have all the same plans for shutting roads down and put security check points out It was quite the mess

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[SPEAKER_03]: During that incident, um, so the good thing is coming out of these open communications coming up with the different communities and stuff now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it sounds to me that everybody's listening at least like they're having a conversation or they're not like it's it's like you said it's getting better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, hopefully hopefully, you know, these challenges continuously, we have we'll always have new challenges every year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like if we can start putting to bed some of the old challenges that become more of like a rock and our shoe type thing every time we haven't disaster, that's the goal here, right, is to, you know, continue to evolve as a system, right, between the regional district essential canogin, you know, the indigenous communities, everybody that's involved with these things right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think if we get to the point or not if when we get to the point where everybody's looking at the same set of information and it's all reliable information, they can make their best decisions at the same time, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting into this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're got into this a lot or actually the last episode we're talking about technology a bit, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And simply being able to bring individuals into a simulated environment and allow them to kind of see what their own eyes is to what these situations look like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of these tools and technologies are here, but with that collected in real time, like actual factual data, that's being pulled from a lot of these different disasters when we can start enhancing that trading capability, but also giving, like you said, anybody who's sitting in a position of management.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to be able to put them through that simulation and allow them to try to test their skills owed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to, it's a very humbling experience, a very humbling experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lot of people, you know, everybody has a plan to get punched in the face, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's an age old saying that never dies because it's so true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't realize how, how unprepared or are, you know, I mean, the disaster can happen anywhere, whether it's man-made or it's natural, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: it's a pretty important to to continue to evolve forward.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and we're we're getting there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and you know what, don't ever sell yourself a short brother because you're a big part of what's going on in that North Oak and Hogan right now, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's you just reaching out to everybody else and everybody else is sort of saying, we should do something about this or somebody should do something about this while you're actually doing something about it, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And and you're seeing the difference on as an external outside are looking in I'm seeing the difference because I know a bunch of the folks that you're working with, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it's becoming quite obvious to me what's the the changes that are happening there a little

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[SPEAKER_02]: We need leaders like people are looking to like you said the people are looking to find those leaders and and be able to identify with them and say hey look like we will follow that guy or girl right like we will get behind them because they are pioneers or they are the original people not in a lemming sort of a way that's not right yeah not off a cliff don't over us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like people are just, yeah, especially young kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're talking about the youth plans, we're talking about the young protector program, the Vexels button out, you know, to be able to get the youth like, I mean, they come from a gaming background.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They come from a world where, you know, technology is everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're always on their phones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're always doing this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So why not mold them into a very functional, very fitting role, you know, that gets them engaged inspired and they learn some stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they learn some stuff with their own communities, their own countries, their own provinces, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I want to talk about that gaming thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You just opened up a little rabbit hole for me here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So number of years ago, I did some graduate studies in leadership.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember up until a point that I read this one specific paper, a part from playing a little bit of pong back in the day at the pub before I was 19, even.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just thought that the gaming was a waste of time that it was just rotted the brain.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just, you could not convince me, like I still alone on a PlayStation or anything to that day to this day, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I read this paper that came out of the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_04]: military about recruiting young people with good gaming skills because their brains had started to develop really, really sound critical reasoning.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So,

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[SPEAKER_04]: You'll hear you push that button or click on that thing and something happens and it's a good axe or good result or a bad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If it's a bad result, you remember at the next time when you don't do it any carry on, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And some of these advanced gamers, the their ability for critical thinking, a critical reasoning when it has some context around things like remote UAVs or strategic foresight around

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[SPEAKER_04]: program development or anything like that, it's just absolutely amazing what these young brains are bringing to it now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I really like the both of you guys have got to focus on youth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, we've got to train our future generations, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what it's all about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the knowledge transfer, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: From the past, into the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the way that we do that is by getting amazing folks like yourself, you know, who are

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[SPEAKER_02]: And preserve, you know, everything that everybody's fought to work for over hundreds of years, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, um, yeah, I, I, I, I look forward to, you know, the, the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be, um, we're going to be going deep on, you know, with some, some, you know, regional emergency management side of things and some events that are coming down, um, or sorry, sort of events that have happened in the past year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're able to break those down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah some some big one some big big ones that are obviously you know they have a little bit of controversial you know response to them and and uh how the public preview you know pervives that and how everybody else you know pervives that from insurance to the the residential property owner so we look for that on the next episode and i can't thank you enough for coming in here today show and like it's been it's been really insightful to see what you guys are doing down at Splotson and you know obviously

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[SPEAKER_02]: world's first to to become a disaster field network user and we look forward to that engagement here you know going into the future.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well thank you very much for having me and I guess like your followers

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[SPEAKER_02]: have any questions when to reach out to me just somehow get a hold of you and get my email address you're on the ten as well and you know that's her stuff so we'll make sure that put that in the bio or the in the caption on the yeah that's a good idea like that very happy sharing my knowledge yeah absolutely well we appreciate it and yeah thanks for going on thank you